Soft-Synth patch selection via MSB, LSB & PC

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Soft-Synth patch selection via MSB, LSB & PC

Postby Ludwigpiano » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:17 am

My system :
Yamaha digital piano P-80, Motherboard Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe with AMD Athlon xp 3200 2 GB RAM,
RME-Fireface 400, Roland MIDI Foot Controller FC-300, Forte 2.2.6, Arturia Moog Modular V 2.5, NI B4 II

My aim: i want to trigger(change) diverse soft-synt patches with the P-80/FC-300 by using scenes
in Forte 2x.

In Forte there are 3 ways to make a patch change with scenes:

1. scene-change via PC#s via scene commands tab
2. scene-change via PC#s in the setlist manager
3. scene-change via CC#s in the setlist manager

To do this with the first method i need the PC, MSB and LSB values of the soft-synth. In a certain
way the Ni B4 II is a soft synth too.When i want to change their presets with scenes, i need their
MSB, LSB and PC values too.

How do i get these values for the NI B4 II or any other soft synth ? For hardware synthesizer you
can find them in the user manual. But what about soft synths ?

I have tried it with the Cubase 5 list editor. Therefore i recorded a midi track and made some
preset changes with the Moog Modular V. After that i looked in the list editor but didn´t get any
MSB-LSB values. I tried the same with the midi monitor software MIDI-OX, without success too.

In former versions of Cubase (SX) you could see and change bank-select (MSB=controller 0/LSB=
controller 32) and program change instructions in the list-editor. Under Cubase 5 it does´nt seem
to work.

I have found a solution in the internet, but only for Moog Modular V: Method to make a
patch-Selection in the Arturia Moog Modular soft synth using MSB, LSB and PC

Look at: Mackie Trackion 2.1 w/Moog Modular V, bank select problem ... 67&start=0

1. Use Controller 0 (MSB) Bank Select to choose the Modular Bank.
Numbering starts at 1 so setting this 4 will choose the 4th bank,
JMBlanchet 2.Following the midi standard one has to start numbering
at 0 !

2. Use Controller 32 (LSB) Bank Select (fine) to choose the Modular
Sub Bank. Again, numbering starts at 1 so setting this to 4 for the
above bank will select "Leads".

3. Use Program Change>Bank 1 in the program list to select the program
(I actually selected to display only one bank). Again, Arturia starts
there numbering at 1 so with the bank and subbank as set above choose
program 4 to choose the 4th program in the list, JMB_PhaseDCE.

I have tried that and it works for the Moog Modular.

But how do a get the MSB, LSB and PC# values for any other soft synth ?

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Re: Soft-Synth patch selection via MSB, LSB & PC

Postby Dirk Offringa » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:16 am


AFAIK this is a question of trial and error, unless you can obtain the information from the software vendor.

Life would be much easier if I had the source code.

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Re: Soft-Synth patch selection via MSB, LSB & PC

Postby Burtan » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:20 am

For most soft-synths I leave the bank information just as "0" as they do not support banks (most of NI's synths as well and I can remember that B4 II just behaves this way, however I'm using VB3 instead now). So just entering the PC value should do the job.

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